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Of infrastructure of bureaucracy that actually makes some of this clandestine work fairly absurd. so i love the idea of a catch 22 world in which you have this young lawyer right out of law school, because most every spy you've seen is about a 30 or 40-year-old guy would is good at his job. so this idea of a 24-year-old who has roommates and just passed the bar five minutes ago suddenly put in a world where it is null of secrets and hidden agenda as he's trying to figure out what is going on and it just seems like a fun setup for a show. >> not only that, one of the things that is fun about th...

Future. >> dave, do you agree about that as a signal? >> oh, yes. you know, one of the things he said right after the bill passed was that -- i'm paraphrasing -- politics is a momentum game, and winning begets winning, especially with the first win, because your strength politically when your side feels it's hopeless, adding one of the big things that's happened so many years you when it seemed hopeless, after sandy hook, if you're a voter, why would you waste your vote for an issue that's hopeless, that's never going to happen. if you're a politician why would you risk your career running on ...

Hispanics and 94% of asian americans who showed up for the runoff did not even vote in the general election. we know this wave talked about this. despite efforts to address the but we've seen, long hours people waiting in dark lines, to exercise the right to vote. do you think these huge voting numbers are indicative that now people understand just how critical this additional senate seat can be? >> absolutely. i can tell, you, katie jayapal traveling and going around talking to voters. what is interesting is i've had young voters who actually protest. they are approaching us and showing me th...

The sort of catch-22 where you want persuasion, you want to win those independents, but at the same time you want to hold onto your base. runoffs are not just about persuasion, they're about turnout. what we saw in 2021 is we saw that the republican turnout as a percentage of that 2020 turnout had dropped more so in the republican districts than in the democratic districts. with trump staying on the sideline, will that in fact decrease republican enthusiasm? they want the persuasion, but they also want the turnout. >> hence the conundrum of the republican party. harry enten, thank you very muc...

Any rallies and then the white house said, well, you know, those don't work, it's a failed policy, did it kind of push the president intoed s deciding, yeah, i better do a few, or is it that he understands he's not actually in demand? >> i've worked on a number of races over the past 20 years, and it's always kind of a catch 22. do you want the president there, do you not want him there -- howard: right. does it help or hurtsome. >> i think the president really made a calculation that democracy's on the ballot, and he wants to get out there and make makes the case for the midterms for the demo...