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Ukrainians and hill said they bet on the wrong horse. after being reminded by ken vogel that the various ukrainian officials, the parliament was providing false information to nellie ohr that made its way to the steele dossier and aligning with clinton. it's backwards. >> were you there when mrs. hill testified? >> not for mrs. hill. i'm happy to read the transcript. >> all i can tell you is she dropped a dime on president trump's actions in ukraine. >> but not enough to find it in articles of impeachment. >> perhaps alone -- >> abuse of power -- we disagree on this. this is where we can disag...

Just on the ukrainian scandal. i think you're probably going to see a little bit of both when we end up reading the articles of impeachment. >> katie, if you were to pick just one, would it be abuse of power since doesn't that have a fairly wide umbrella to it? >> it's very appealing and that's a great question, alex, because abuse of power is so general it can include several subset examples. we have a very tough time with people being really tight on the critical language of bribery and extortion so i think abuse of power will be a great catchall for exactly the reason. >> glenn, katie thoug...

Nadler who will then decide, and there is a debate happening in that committee, whether or not they are going to call additional witnesses and have additional public hearings. they haven't fully decided what they're going to do at this point. but the goal is to wrap this all up by the time christmas comes around. it's going to be a very tough deadline given all that they have to do. >> when you say the goal is christmas, it seems as if it is going to move well beyond christmas. >> we only have about two weeks because the week before christmas, the house is gone for the holidays. >> and speakin...

That the person doesn't know what they're trying to say. >> when it comes to joe biden's moments where he misspeaks, do you think it is all related -- do you think it is all related to his stutter, or do you think there's room to criticize them as mistakes? >> this is not a catch-all, not by any means. couple of nights ago, joe biden accidentally said there was only one african-american female senator. that didn't have anything to do with stuttering. other moments, though, as i am at this moment, you know, he knows what he wants to say, but

They didn't blame as much extremist views, 57%, and 37%. they are blame nothing my mind, the people about what is going on. >> what do you mean? >> people pulling the trigger. they are blaming the extremist views and language versus the weapon. their conversation is -- >> they are right about that, guns don't typically fire themselves without somebody triggering that, right? isn't that what they are saying, stating the obvious? the question is how much does that go toward how they feel after mass shooting or what kind of weapon they have. when they hear a certain type of weapon was used or in ...