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Danger in conservatives assuming everything that happened was an accident. >> that there is nothing to learn from all this. it would be easy to just write this off as bad luck. the bob mcdonnell gifts scandal, a controversial running mate made the e.w. jackson, a libertarian candidate who some believe played a role. he tried to go in there against obama care, it was too little, too late. >> i think in retrospect as we look back, two things mattered. the government shutdown obviously mattered. look, a lot of people in northern virginia especially were affected by it. more importantly, i think i...

A number say that in light of all of this, they won't have meetings with brett kavanaugh who still is making the rounds on capitol hill, meeting with senators before his confirmation hearing. that is their act of protest. do you see that catching on, making any sort of impact? >> well, it is primarily is symbolic impact. but also people say that there is a possibility that democrats might fail to show up for senate sessions. i think they could be arrested if they don't come to the chamber, but you might really see democrats dig in their heels as it looks like the president a more and more be l...