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Or lawful exercise of his powers, that's not a crime. in the worst case, it's an abuse of power. you don't indict a president for abusing his power. you impeach him. that's ultimately a political question. not a legal question. i think mueller looking at it from a legal perspective is a category error. >> i think that's more the case to look at. mueller is going to look at all of this through his legal lens, how are we going to get to the answer what he is supposed to resolve is russian interference in our election process. i think we've sort of gone away from that he's looking at the legal im...

Television set all those years before they discovered that fox news could do the yelling for them. i think that's why you see such a difference in response between mainstream media like nbc and fox is the whole idea of fox is trust us they can't be trusted. >> and we saw this week some people asking why isn't fox having an investigation the way nbc is continuing to have an investigation into broin williams. that's a category error to equate brian williams and bill o'reilly. they are in two different ponds, two different oceans. >> well first of all, fox is a niche program. it's for a group of ...

People, it's now tasked with regulating the dark money in our elections that wealthy people use to elect people to gut the tax code and the irs. >> it's either lois lerner or the general council of the irs or somebody at the white house saying, or somebody at the treasury saying, the irs better get on crossroads gps. >> conservatives recognize that one of the only things standing between us and a genuine plutocracy are thousands of anonymous bureaucrats doing the basic work of enforcing our nation's laws. joining me now, msnbc contributor, former congressman, barney frank, democrat from massac...

Only is the irs tasked with collective taxes from wealthy people, it's now tasked with regulating the dark money in our elections that wealthy people use to elect people to gut the tax code and the irs. >> it's either lois lerner or the general council of the irs or somebody at the white house saying, or somebody at the treasury saying, the irs better get on crossroads gps. >> conservatives recognize that one of the only things standing between us and a genuine plutocracy are thousands of anonymous bureaucrats doing the basic work of enforcing our nation's laws. joining me now, msnbc contribut...

In a dumpster and you're still paying a lot. and it's problematic. i fly tons. i probably fly seven times a month. and so, yeah -- >> that sounds horrible. >> yeah, exactly. and so when you're flying seven times a month and you're on the plane and all of a sudden there's somebody next to you eating a who were and the person next to them is removing their nail polish and you want to -- >> wait -- i'm going to stop you there. that's a complaint about human beings, not about airplanes. i think there's a category error often in people's complaints about flying, which is to complain about their fel...