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They're very smart organizers. i don't think they will neglect that part of getting donald trump to the caucuses, but, donald trump has a lot of people who are supporting him right now who never caucused before. that can be an issue. it is a harder lift to explain the process to them and get them out. ted cruz also has a strong organization. that's why i say he is more than a blip on the screen. he does have the ability to get his people out on caucus night. it is snowing in iowa today. you have to be prepared for that and have your people being committed. bill: right. >> both trump and cruz, ...

He's been putting in the spade work there for months and months. obviously, he got this endorsement from bob vanderplat, and so it's fascinating to see the dynamic between trump and cruz, which we will see play out on the debate stage tomorrow night. cruz has got almost double the amount of support from evangelicals of anyone else in the field and that poll is famously accurate. it may give us a good karindica of where the race stands right now. they are so important in turning people out on caucus night. ted cruz is deeply rooted in that community and he really has a great shot here to surge ...

And that's what's interesting here. he brought up the barack obama example. nobody believes 225,000 democrats were going to show up in 2008. >> that's right. >> it doubled. it blew models out of the water. and yes, obama proved you can do it. >> he did. >> is trump going to do this in iowa? >> the answer is, we don't know. trump and rubio both making very large bets on winning voters over through the media, who will show up on caucus night and sit through a couple of hours of arguing with their neighbors and it's not like you walk in a voting booth and walk out. it's a commitment to caucus in ...

To step it up after that debate, when it was widely viewed he was not confrontational enough and actually gave her a life line on the e-mails. so this is a new bernie sanders and the iowa platform was a very important comparison. tom harkin, who supports hillary clinton was quoted in "the new york times" was saying that bernie sanders has more passion among his supporters. and while she's ahead in the polls now in iowa, he's got the kind of enthusiasm that often counts on caucus night. she's running scared in iowa after what happened last time. she came in third. so she pulled out all the stop...

That entire time in the state of iowa. and i've got to commend dr. carson's super pac for all the work they've done on the ground out here. they mounted a very good ground game. they've been at it for two years. this is probably bearing the fruits of that labor. img one of the things, in all due respect to ms. seltzer and her polls, and she does a marvelous job, is that there's still some thought that -- take a look at the sample size. the other thing is, all the people that come to our rallies and the people we're going to turn out for the caucuses are not really polled in that because we're ...