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And good use of this bomb? >> absolutely. it was the exact type of weapon that was necessary for that target. isis has moved into that region over the course of about two years. the district runs right up against the border with pakistan. it's also in the same area where we went on after bin laden. that cave complex and tunnel complex is massive. we lost to greenbrae there sadly, last week, and the reason is they have the entire region mind going up to the tunnels and in the caves, and so to be honest, to me, using that weap weapon, i think the casualties are up to about 100 isis fighters but ...

Garnered around the world, how many impact was it to use it? >> strategically i don't think it will have much impact at all. there are still 40,000 taliban fighters on the ground. the u.s. trained afghanistan police and army are falling apart. the situation in afghanistan is certainly not favorable to us. i think this actually distracts people from that reality. killing these people, destroying this particular cave complex is not going to make any difference strategically to what happens in that country. >> it also begs the question, ok, what next? we've already used bomb, so then what? >> wel...

>> that the unclassified number. if it's used on the right target. we would not use this on mosul. this is to deny enemy use of terrain, and in this area they were using this cave complex to funnel lethal aid in to fight american fighters. >> tucker: is this on the fight against isis? >> second and third order effects being very strategic. it's a message to tehran, damascus, and moscow. it complements the tactical use of this complex. >> tucker: what message does this send to the foreign nationals?s? >> the next four years will be different than the last eight. he has delegated those decisions

Bombs, why are we using it right now when we had it since 2003. what is the change here? >> inauguration day with the change. when it was developed it was designed to take out a tunnel complex, cave complex or underground facilities like nuclear places, kim in north korea, it served a dual purpose, killed a lot of bad guys which is a good thing and serve to deter other bad actors from acting bad. those two things, the best use for military hardware ever is to stop somebody from doing something that makes us use it. if it stops any of the bad guys, vladimir putin, assad, kim in north korea, fro...

In iraq. the number, 36 isis fighters is what they're saying about the number that was killed. the network of tunnels also impacted by this. the headlines around the world, the mother of all bombs, the acronym emblazened on the side of this missile, the biggest bottom used since world war ii and a nuclear bomb. was this too much power for the target. >> no it wasn't. the kaifts and tunnels were destroyed. the goal was to shut down the tunnel and cave complex that can not be used in the future. it will allow us to bring them out in the open. this is the perfect target for this weapon. >> colone...