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Conventional weapons in the u.s. arsenal. and the blast radius as you can see from this test video is about a mile. but perhaps equally deadly to the fireball is the vacuum that takes up all the oxygen. thus, very effective against cave complexes and those really dug. in the "wall street journal" reports the isis caves are actually gem stone mines that isis took over from the locals and turned into smuggling bases and weapons storage depots. >> we have the greatest military in the world. they have their a job as usual. we have given them total authorization. that's what they are doing. frankly...

What does this message send to the fighters on the ground and the rest of the world? >> good morning pete and team. first off, this was a deployment of very large conventional weapon against a tactical target. so general mcnicole son the commander of u.s. forces and allied forces in the region has been given the authority to use weapons at his disposal and that's what you saw yesterday. this was against -- it's a perfect target for this weapon system. a series of tunnels and cave complexes where frankly isis, you know, they are now using ieds in caves nor it uns and so forth in this rough part...

Altitudes and we don't know the precise location but where these cave complexes are, there aren't any villages. but you will find the odd shepherd up there with his goats or sheep or whatever. and then the nearby villages for sure will pay an interest in what's gone on. it's surprising how many people, local villages you actually find when you get out in the mountains, you don't see much but then you standstill and they come out of the trees and out of the valleys. >> turning the page from afghanistan, colonel, let me bring this into the conversation. 18 allied forces in syria were killed in a...

Osama bin laden and al qaeda made their last stand in afghanistan. >> yes, this is the vicinity of where this bomb was dropped. it's hard until we know the precise location of the bomb but a few miles from where bin laden was hiding out. he had a set of cave complexes that were being targeted by bombs at the end of 2001. we spent a lot of time on the mountainside there. we went up to where the bombs were targeting these cave complexes, saw the damage. i think at the time, these were thousand pound bombs, perhaps the largest being dropped, smash being the mountain, ripping apart some of the cav...

Tunnel complex to kill americans in the past, this is on the heels of the recent death of a special forces soldier. it's an effective weapon. it's used in canyons and cave complexes, it's a massive weapon and really hard to go on precision strikes when you have so many -- >> tucker: give us a sense of the scale of the cave complex you are talking about. >> it goes from bora bora to the was dropped in, a series of caves that have not been destroyed. in 2001 and 2002, we basically were using explosions that would kill anybody in sight. this is used as an area denial weapon. what's important abou...