Expel from their employees' health care plans, they say they're causing abortions. and they don't. el la and plan b don't cause abortions. but some of the pharmaceutical products some of these companies in the 401(k) holdings, they actually do make drugs that are meant to be used in abortions. >> and they are -- hobby lobby are invested in those companies also? >> investing is a strong word, but yes, that's in the holdings. hobby lobby didn't respond to my request for comment, by the way. but i'll be interested if they do at any point, and see if they have made changes and if they feel this is...