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For thousands of years. who will guard the guardians? how do we produce and create a government that's strong enough to protect us, but not so strong that it can abuse us? i think there's some areas here where we need to ask some hard questions and say, are there ways to achieve the same level of security with less intrusion? for example, it makes me nervous that the government has this huge database of all the phone numbers. i understand in other parts of the world quite often the data is left with the telephone company. if the government needs to go after, you know, tamerlan's cell use, they...

The world quite often the data is left with the telephone company. if the government needs to go after, you know, tamerlan's cell use, they then would get what amounts to a warrant, go into that database which resides at the company, and get the same information. i'm with your prior guest. it's not a question of do we need to do this? i think we do. the question is, are there ways that we can do it that will give us a higher level of protection? and it shouldn't matter who's in charge. >> senator -- >> that's important, i think. >> i'm not privy, obviously, to the intelligence that you see, bu...

And willie, always planning ahead. >> by the way, i love -- it was a question of how donald trump was going to get out of this debate. once there were only two people left, i had bets on different scenarios i thought it would be "apprentice" related. he's doing the right thing from a journalistic standpoint. >> he is. >> true. >> proving once again donald trump as we say, willie, the abraham lincoln of our time. lincolnian. i'm a small government guy, i don't like regulations, but i will tell you what. >> now what? >> after dodging cars over the past two or three years with mainly, i'll just s...