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Close tie -- not a tie but run-up, getting them to the run-off. 23.7% for for emmanuel macron and as you were saying, embassador, you say that you don't think marine le pen can win, this guy is a new-comer and he still has a lot to prove. what they're going to be campaigning on, how they're going to be campaigning for the next point on will be very important and i want to know if you think a macron has what it's going to take in terms of campaign organization to get his message out there? >> he did a pretty good job and that's why he came in first, but ultimately most of the people who voted f...

Relationship with france if la pen wins presidency and what if emanuel macron wins, what's going to be the impact on u.s.-foreign policy? >> that's a really good question. la pen by any standard will not win. she got about 22% of the votes. macron got perhaps 23 but almost all roughly 50% plus of people who voted for other candidates will vote for macron and send her home. la pen will not be the president. there's no problem with macron and presidentrump, people understand that tweets are the tweets but u.s.-foreign policy is very pronato and it's very prochallenging russia in places like ukra...

And got less than 30%. france is a country, an internial turmoil, it's unemployment rate three times out of germany. he's never been in parol rent and he's going to be in the same trouble that the current president hollande is. arthel: we were looking at the shots in paris there, macron is thanking supporters for getting him into this runoff here against marine la pen, the blue-collar nationalist, antieuropan, antiestablishment, you know, so listen, if marine say, gets in and she is president and if france were to exit the eu, hypothetical at this point, of course, does the eu collapse, embass...

One ally but also much targeted by terrorists as well. arthel: we were looking at live shots there on the screen of macron making its way through the crowd and they are doing victory lap, already being endorsed by francois fillon, conservative who did not make it. emmanuel macron or marine la pen when you talk about the may seventh runoff, who has a better chance and who is a better candidate for dc? >> for dc almost certainly macron and he will most certainly will win as i said. here is the important back story , 40% of voters voted for la pen are farther left than donald trump. that's up ove...

Of a terror nature just a couple of days ago in paris with that attack on on police officers. again, the runoff in two week's time. pollsters have looked at this and they have said that, in fact, macron could with a good margin beat la pen with one-on-one faceoff but as we know, eric and arthel in this political season in the past several months never anything is sure. eric: that's for sure considering he's been outsider two weeks to go, it'll be fascinating, arthel. arthel: north korea keeping up the pressure with another provocation. the rogue regime is threatening to sink a u.s. aircraft ca...