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Thompson he accused the secretary of misleading the american people and misleading the committee. is he misleading the american people. they're not cages chain link dividers go up to the ceiling separate children from unrelated adults. if we didn't do that back in 2014 and 2015 when they were built, the first child gets molested by unrelated adult? what happens? now they are under investigation for that chain link fences separating vulnerable population unrelated adults. >> tucker: built in 2014 and 2015. trump wasn't president then. >> barack obama was president. i was there when they were bu...

Children, we have to give every girl pregnancy test over 10. this is not a safe journey. >> is that your oath to the american people or your oath to the president of the united states. >> the oath, as you know is to the constitution and the people. >> you have the ability to make independent determinations? >> i do. what i believe is best for the men and women of dhs and this country. >> bill: about a three-hour hearing. heated. adam kensing gear member of the house judiciary jewish homed security. democrats were insist tant on going back to the so-called cages. we have seen pictures of these....

>> jason, you know, i saw the cages at the southern border when i was down there. no one disputed it. the people working there, they didn't dispute that these chain link containment compartments inside these buildings were cages. they didn't have a problem with that description of what was there. they could tell you why it was set up that way and budget and all sorts of reasons, but they weren't fighting you on what you were seeing with your own eyes. >> yeah, it's like calling a prison adult condos, right? this is the kind of nonsense that we're dealing with. lawrence, what really offends me ...

When i was down there. no one disputed it. the people working there, they didn't dispute that these chain link containment compartments inside these buildings were cages. they didn't have a problem with that description of what was there. they could tell you why it was set up that way and budget and all sorts of reasons, but they weren't fighting you on what you were seeing with your own eyes. >> yeah, it's like calling a prison adult condos, right? this is the kind of nonsense that we're dealing with. lawrence, what really offends me about this is, what is it about republican administrations ...

Be willing to vote for new funding for that? >> nothing i would call a wall would i vote for. i've seen some border fence, they're chain link and you can see them and slow people down with sensors and people can respond. anything that is like this vast kind of massive wall that extends 30 feet into the air, whether it's steel slats or concrete, no, absolutely not. >> we have to see what that committee comes up with and will ask you at that time if it's something you might support. senator jeff merkley from oregon. here's a troubling development. is someone using your iphone to eavesdrop on y...