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Thurmond or even william jennings bryant to some extent became president. so what president trump represents, what this -- the past ten days or so is really a wonderful case study, disturbing and distressing case study, but a really interesting one of where we are now because you have this since that the president sees this as a perennial conflict, not as an arena for resolution. >> david jolly, any chance effectiveness is going to break out in congress? can we take that off our list of worries? >> yeah, no, the cake is baked going into november. but i want to revisit the melania thing for a m...

Perennial conflict, not as an arena for resolution. >> david jolly, any chance effectiveness is going to break out in congress? can we take that off our list of worries? >> yeah, no, the cake is baked going into november. but i want to revisit the melania thing for a moment because we've touched on it with kid gloves. this was an unforgivable moment for the first lady and the first family, not because of what happened in the initial moment where, why did she wear this? frankly i was one who dismissed it the first time we saw it as she was departing. but to wear it on her return affirmed she wa...

Every crisis feels outsized and potentially insuperable to the present because it's our crisis. >> yeah. >> and these are our issues that we have to overcome. what is unique is this is as though george wallace off strom thurmond or even william jennings bryant to some extent became president. so what president trump represents, what this -- the past ten days or so is really a wonderful case study, disturbing and distressing case study, but a really interesting one of where we are now because you have this since that the president sees this as a perennial conflict, not as an arena for resolutio...