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Way to solve it was a one size fits all mandate that's increasing premiums by $2,100. cbo said it didn't reduce premiums. >> let me go on the last point here. there's a lot to get into. i want to go to medicare. you want to go to a premium support system. you're privatizing medicare. there's no other way to look at it. you want to make it more private insurance companies in the medicare system. >> no, chuck, that's still not right. if you read the plan, it says the government -- you continue to have access to the government run for fee service plan. >> but you're incentivizing -- you're trying...

Reforms, and get an out of pocket -- put that into medicare and save taxpayers $114 billion with medigap reform. so seniors can choose the program if they want. but with premium support, you're actually driving down taxpayer spending and saving beneficiaries significant dollars. the medigap reforms alone could save seniors hundreds of dollars per year in medigap premiums, plus give them protection. right now, there's no protection against out of pocket spending for the first time we'd put a limit on that. so it's a win-win for both seniors and taxpayers if they want it, they can still choose t...

Reforms to medicare and medicaid. i asked him about his plan to cover folks with pre-existing conditions. all right, on pre-existing conditions, it's pretty clear to me that you are allowing some insurance companies to discriminate on pre-existing conditions, because you would have a special high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions. so i get on one hand you would have lower insurance premiums, because you'd allow insurance companies to essentially discriminate for pre-existing conditioning, because there would be a special high-risk pool. >> no, chuck -- chuck, that's actually no...

it's a probably that's never been wassed by a quake in this country until now. first responders may be getting reasons. stand by for dr. sanjay gupta and details of a new medical study. i'm westbound westboun i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> how did their political leaders do big things like reduce the debt if they butt heads over a scheduling speech. we're learning more about the duty-up over the president's make-or-break jobs speech this week, and how the date was finally set. athena jones is covering the story for us. now, actually scheduling that speech has tu...