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Democrats and it isn't republicans it is political. it is mr. maliki. maliki has been a catastrophe. i think air power might end up being a part of the solution. but only in the context of -- of al-maliki sharing power with sunni militias and devolution of power from the center to the regions. >> can i ask you something? can i ask you stuomething? what do you say to people who say that twe have put so much into this country, or richard engel arguing, this country, getting into an air campaign is restarting a part of a war we are trying to end? >> it has to be done in the context of strategic o...

And an editor in large for the atlantic. good evening, gentlemen. you hear the reports there. steve, start with you. richard hit it on the head. we had a debaten this nation about not going into syria as ugly as it was, going in, would be uglier. going in and frying to do air strikes. to support, maliki here, would complicate the spillover from syria. steve? it could become messier. i do think -- spoke to officials moments ago. wanted to emphasize to me that all options are on the table other than boots on the ground. and with a strong intonation that air strikes, drone strikes, another dif me...

It is time the president got a new national security team. it's time he got a group of people together that know what it is to succeed in conflict. >> joining me from iraq is nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, what can you tell us about this increasing insurgency and this cross-border problems? >> well, i think iraq is in a state of collapse. and to talk about iraq needing more help, the government needing to get its act together, and to -- to get back on the right track, i think we may be beyond that stage. i think we have turned the corner. the country is breaking i...

Equilibrium of parts, power centers, that have felt disenfran choose itted. maliki has alien all itted the soonies. sunnis need to come back. off awe right. your steve, point was seen as pessimistic. may beef realistic if we are in three pieces. he said today the ethnic sectarians line, he called them three places, which is more ominous. nicholas cristof, steve clemens, we are out of time. weave wi >> coming up. rick perry may have uttered his first oops moment of the 23016 race, making a comparison between homosexuality and alcoholism. where did he make the speech? it makes it even more oops....

Succeeded in iraq. those who have been retired. and get together that group and place them in responsibility, position so they can develop a policy to reverse this tide of islamic extremism which directly threatens the security of the united states. and the united states of america. it is time the president got a new national security team. it's time that he got a group of people together and knew what it is to succeed in conflict. i would say the leader of that would be general petraeus, general mattas is one, general keen another one. bob kagan is another one. >> well, this isn't a political...