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Politics, it matters a lot whether you're pitching policy or character of republicans were effective at going at hillary clinton's character including with things that didn't seem obviously terrible like the wall street speeches became a bigger issue than some might have expected given how many ties there are to wall street from both candidates. is this a character attack? >> it is a character attack. i mean, i would say if you look at trump's numbers, i done think you need to have that many more character attacks. i think people are fairly dubious about his character already. i think that's t...

Picture here is the trump administration and its agents are looking to find new ways to defeat isis. if that means talking to people on the phone who are in comparable positions in foreign governments, so be it. more information needs to come out before you can start making character attacks on someone like mike flynn. he deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to character and integrity questions. >> emily, regardless, democrats are certainly jumping on this. they're calling for an investigation. where do you see this going? >> i do think this will be pursued because to the point scot...

Originally stated, but that he didn't do anything wrong. i think what's interesting as franken went after his character, most everyone else was sticking to policy differences. democrats have huge policy contrasts with senator sessions and the department of justice will change radically from the obama department of justice. i think it was strong of him to so strongly defend himself against the 1986 event when he was passed over for the judgeship to defend himself against charges of being racially insensitive so that they can move on to policy differences and not be in -- so that he is not vulne...

Granted, that's how it's set. the responsibilities of the debate moderators, does that change in a situation like this? do they have a responsibility to press the candidates for answers to not only this question but also policy answers if this debate becomes too focused on personal character attacks? >> yeah. i think they do. the moderators have a tough job and what's unusual this year is that the town hall debate actually has two moderators and so there is a bit more of a presence than on the stage. >> male or female. >> rinchts male and female. >> an important point. what i don't think would...

He took that opportunity to harp on the character attacks. >> he was waiting for his moments. >> it worked. >> he was. >> and donald trump has built-in boo lines. look at all of you up there, he looks at the cameras focused on him. it's so funny. >> television networks spend lots of money on these debates. we go to great lengths to promote the debates. we're holding the debates so people can learn more about trump and the other candidates. it's easy to criticize and attack. let's keep in mind the beneficial relationship that also exists between trump and the press. >> also tonight, you got the...