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Are not looking to be open to any ideas other than their own right now. they are holing firm and they want media that reinforces what they believe. so if you're at cnn and you're in the testing business because we don't have the luxury of being owned by one partisan perspective, you are bait for these guys. you get someone like trump who turns a weakness into a strength. you go after him, test him, you can poke holes in him. >> it needs to be a credible attack. the cnbc debate, for instance, they laid the ground work for ted cruz who sat there cautiously listening to every single attack on his...

So it doesn't have credibility. but the more important thing is the republicans can't give up character attacks on hillary clinton. that is because they don't want to run against her in the general election and they have nothing to offer her in the country. we know what the republican platform is going to be no matter who gets the nomination and i think it reeks of desperation on their part. >> dan, the e-mails, i know it's two separate issues and, you know, rightly so. michael said they've become conflated. but if benghazi comes up, the e-mail issue comes up, what does hillary clinton need to...

We know that bernie sanders has signaled he's going to go after her on that, talk about his own speech in 2002 where he said it was going to be one of the biggest policy blunders in history. and i think it will be fascinating to see if the democratic electorate, if that issue still resonates as much as it once did. >> bernie sanders said he will go after her policies, not after her. we're not expecting any sort of character attacks. other than maybe the lower three tier might go after bernie or hillary or maybe they'll just talk about the republicans. >> yes. i think if you accept the idea tha...

Don't engage in character attacks. but keep the focus on the issues. >> what do you think about what so and so said. i said go ask them. i thought that was a good answer. good to see you. looking forward to the debate. appreciate you being with us. >> thank you, sean. coming up we'll have more on planned parenthood and more tape. an exclusive interview, the person that went undercover for that video coming up next. later, newly released audio of baltimore police scanners proved in fact that the officers were told to stand down. as we reportred back in april. we'll check in with geraldo riv...

Already. but today he's going to do the big rally, the lakeside in burlingburl g burling burlington vermont. he says look he's not going to be clinton inc. he can't raise a billion dollars. but he does tell the a.p. organization he can raise $50 million for primaries gets about $4 million since launching the average contribution. i was at a big benefit last week for a community service organization a lot of young people there. literally a dozen approached me, don't forget bernie. no evidence he can beat hillary clinton yet but there's something going on here. >> i mean certainly there's a desi...