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>> the question suggests that conservatism compels the vaccine, which it does not. i am a decided conservative, a proud conservative, and i am proudly vaccinated. conservatism involves viewing liberty that by its definition means there are some people who may say things and do things that we disagree with. i'm hammering it out every day with people who give me reasons why they're not getting the shot. i find some of those reasons, shall we say, informationally challenged. but i'm not telling them what to do in their lives. >> you don't need government to do it. character counts. where is good ...

Vaccine, which it does not. i am a decided conservative, a proud conservative, and i am proudly vaccinated. conservatism involves viewing liberty that by its definition means there are some people who may say things and do things that we disagree with. i'm hammering it out every day with people who give me reasons why they're not getting the shot. i find some of those reasons, shall we say, informationally challenged. but i'm not telling them what to do in their lives. >> you don't need government to do it. character counts. where is good character in the assessment that i'm not going to do th...

This proverse sense of prerogative that hey, i have the freedom -- you have the freedom to walk into traffic. you know, we don't suggest you do it. whatever happened to character counts? and a conservative standing for values and ethics and doing what's right. remember how they attacked clinton? do you remember how mike pence as a member of congress wrote a letter saying judge him as a neighbor? >> uh-uh. >> we need to have the moral r leaders as christians and in the communities. so you're not going to do something science tells you to do to keep yourself and others safe in your community out...

Stevens, i mentioned these concerns come from people with pedigrees in the republican party. he has worked for five different republican presidential campaigns. he knows of what he speaks. he cares about conservative principles. as traditionally understood, and he's a guest tonight for a special conversation. thanks for being here. >> thank you, man. >> do some of these elected republicans have a nihilism problem? >> yeah, that might even be too complimentary. it's power for power's sake. you know, uch to look at it, when i started getting involved with the republican party, we actually said w...

Discourse. we have to come together and we have talked respectably. >> we have to know character counts and always have and always will. >> i remember after the election, donald says how could it be that republicans won all over the country but i lost. would you just describe to our friends who are listening to right now was exactly what ron johnson was caught on tape admitting. i think he said like i won by 150,000 votes and then he said if you add up all the republican state legislatures, they won by margin of 56,000 or under 56,000. if you are looking at people in wisconsin, they won by the...