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Encounters that he had with jeffrey clark, the forming acting head of the civil division including one in which clark admitted he met with trump. clark did not respond to the times request for comment. he said in january that his official communications with the white house were consistent with law. joining me now to talk about this and more, chuck rosenburg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official who is now an msnbc contributor. good to see you again. i want to play for you what what kansas democratic senator and judiciary committee member how he character yid the situation during an interview with on msnbc yesterday. watch. the president mounted a pressure campaign that was absolutely relentless, brutal, personally involved directly aimed at the department of justice. seeking to break it. and weaponize it to overturn the election. the department of justice ....