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Service, the patient is not the one actually paying the bill. the insurance company, the third party, is that part of the real problem we have. >> except in the crazy world of healthcare economics the patients that do pay the bills are the ones that don't have insurance. in your home state there are probably thousands of people being sued by hospitals for charge master prices, the high prices, that causes 61% of the personal bankruptcies in this country. so there's no accountability. there's no rational for it and nobody can explain it but nobody has to explain it. now that, you know, deductib...

Service, the patient is not the one actually paying the bill. the insurance company, the third party, is that part of the real problem we have. >> except in the crazy world of healthcare economics the patients that do pay the bills are the ones that don't have insurance. in your home state there are probably thousands of people being sued by hospitals for charge master prices, the high prices, that causes 61% of the personal bankruptcies in this country. so there's no accountability. there's no rational for it and nobody can explain it but nobody has to explain it. now that, you know, deductib...

Service, the patient is not the one actually paying the bill. the insurance company, the third party, is that part of the real problem we have. >> except in the crazy world of healthcare economics the patients that do pay the bills are the ones that don't have insurance. in your home state there are probably thousands of people being sued by hospitals for charge master prices, the high prices, that causes 61% of the personal bankruptcies in this country. so there's no accountability. there's no rational for it and nobody can explain it but nobody has to explain it. now that, you know, deductib...

Things and going to the maximum to get most profits. texas, florida, wait a second, texas, florida, california and low price states are rural states, by and large, montana, south dakota have smaller hospitals and have not gone into this -- >> the highest place for a heart attack is brooklyn. >> it's new york city. >> the other thing to look at is prices for a 77 dollar charge for a box of gauze pads. the next frontier in transparency that counts is not the charge master prices but looking at what hospitals and clinics and outpatient clinics charge insurance companies. you could go to same hosp...