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Separate maxwell from the jeffery epstein. he's been tried for being with epstein, maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life but that was not the crime. >> the jury felt otherwise, the crime they deemed her guilty can leave the 60 years old in prison for the rest of her life. >> joining us now tom winter and former prosecutor, charles colmen. charles, i want to start with you, you have been following this case for years now. where does this fall on the spectrum of what you expect here? >> it's exactly what i expected. the key thing when you look at the charging documents and what the juro...

Was. what she did in terms of getting these young girls to these places and that's why they were able to secure the conviction. it was her specific role of what she is to him. >> charles, it's jonathan. she was found guilty five of six. why did you suspect there was one not guilty verdict and the likelihood for any inevitable appeal? >> jonathan, i thought about that and one of the things i keep oncoming back to is one of the notes for the jury, asking for the definition of enticement. when you look at the not guilty verdict, that word of enticement is what got them hung up. that related to on...

Prosecution standpoint there is no indication they would be going after them. as far as other individuals, one thing we didn't hear because the judge felt it was outside of the scope of the indictment and charges here are other quote on quote "dates" that ghislaine maxwell arranged of women of age. that did not come in, how extensive it was and who was involved in that? that was something we did not get to hear. it will be interesting to see if that comes out. at this point there is no implications of anybody else being imminently danger of being charged here. >> susan is here with a question ...

Connected to this case may not be an issue here because those are conversations around sexual abuse and there is a statute of limitations there. if prosecutors are going to charge new individuals, it will have to be because they were involved in the sex trafficking as well. they took young women from state to state and that's what invoke the federal conviction. they may be willing to cut a deal. again, if that was going to happen, it would have. >> ghislain maxwell guilty of five of six charges. charles and tom, thank you for both of you. the united states broke its record for a second day i...

Teenage girl and why is maxwell massaging her. that was damaging to jury what that came across. >> those stories are so hard to hear. charles, the argument from the defense effectively was maxwell was a stand-in, she didn't commit the crime and she's only here because he died in prison. jury did not buy that. >> well, willie, you are absolutely right. the defense had a deeper strategy in terms of what they had to work with. they tried to make it about jeffery epstein and not about ghislaine maxwell. prosecutors what they're able to do is focus on what was it that maxwell did and then bring tha...