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All the other wishy-washy things that make these entitlement programs uncontrollable have taken effect. i love president trump's tweet about repealing, but i bet it goes nowhere. >> gillian: i see two-timing issues here. is this going to get to the senate after the july 4th recess and will move on to the committee coming for us and what happens there? then there's the long term issue to get to charles point. this has been damaging for not just the president, but the entire g.o.p. platform because as we all know, legislation tends to have a domino effect. the momentum you build and your first c...

I am nervous because charles is rising a bit too fast so he is a threat. and now to joe and he says tom does not scare him, joe walsh of illinois and tea party patriot. welcome, both. did charles point that maybe the chamber is more or less dissing both you guys innocuously, innocently, but very real. >>guest: i found tom's comments outrageous totally establishment, and doesn't understand at all where we're at right now. >>neil: you don't think he was joking? >>guest: if he was joking he was joking as much as the president was joking yesterday when he said maybe the shovel ready pregnants were...

Is important to notice is the chamber's position on the debt ceiling and spending. and the chamber believes the time for spending reform is now," and they fear if we go through the ceiling and risk in solvency, all bets are off. what do you say? >>guest: this could be the only chance we have to, really, turn this around. >>neil: so you are in the camp that says, go ahead, risk it, because what we have been doing up until now has in the worked. >>guest: our future is emanuels from greece if we dent do something. i understand where the chamber is coming from but going after the tea party is the ...