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Crowd out spending as this last chart will show you. >> can you just go back to the last chart? it's very interesting. look at the year 2008. the one before that. it says it all, oh, wait, 2008, that's where the debt -- >> look, we had a big jump because of the recession on the financial crisis. even before that, we were not borrowing as much money. we have turned deficits into a way of life here. that has enormous consequences. and as this next chart shows, you will see the consequences for the federal government, which is what happens to its interest expense. so the red line is the federal g...

Been zero, no wage increases for the average american. >> just from 40,000 feet, the u.s. economy under barack obama and the first 18 months donald trump pretty good, right? again, it's a slower, gradual growth. trump will probably be annualized at maybe 2%, 2.5%. just like obama. but again, pretty good, steady growth over time. >> you know -- >> it's not 3%. >> yes. exactly. in a year of somewhat diminished expectations of what we can perform and produce, 2% is a reasonable number, 2.5% is a reasonable number. but the problem is as my last chart shows, it's not getting to the average worker. ...

>> from barack obama's yes we can to yes they will. i mean, the fact steve radnor, that the democrats are behind on the economy, the democrats are behind on taxes, the democrats are behind on the deficit, the democrats are behind, i mean, on any of these issues shows just how inept the party's message is right now. i'm not saying they're not going to win big in the fall, they probably are because the intensity among their base is higher than ever before. it really does mirror what happened in 2010 for the republicans. but still, they're not looking great in a lot of numbers. but until that tax...

Bill. >> you think the $24, $25 million will go up? >> it will allow people to not get all the benefits. this is a worse bill for the average american than the bill that was scored by the cbo. so we know how ugly it is and yet they are voting for it. okay. charts. let's talk about pre-existing conditions. under the obamacare you could not charge people a different amount of money if you have a pre-existing conditions. this bill would allow states to opt out of that requirement. this chart shows and i don't have my magic pencil today. >> no magic pencil? >> i know. what can you do? this chart s...

Yates at the justice department. democrats seem to feel emboldened but they are stepping away from these votes. >> they have no expectation of defeating so far any of the cabinet nominations. only of delaying them. the statistics are worse than your chart shows. it is the worst showing for the number of nominations confirmed by this point since 1933, which is the year of the inauguration was moved to january. it's an historically slow rate of confirmation. you have to say you don't see a nominee who is poised to be defeated. >> bret: laura. >> the word impotent comes to mind when i think of wh...