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President of the united states, donald trump, where he said the problem with the russians is they lie. this is absolutely -- when you have a covert action like this, the nice thing about it is it provides you with what's known as plausible deniability. you can look with your deep eyes into the camera and say absolutely not. why would i do this? it's all simply not true. if i could add on to jeffrey's comment earlier about the leaks portion, leaks of classified information are a bad thing. it's all the worse in this case, because guys like mueller who are doing the investigation on this have ac...

Registration systems, even some election officials. we knew about some of this before the election in states you may remember, we reported this in arizona and illinois and florida. but this gives more details about that. the nsa has been looking into this and found more information, and they compiled a report to say here's where we saw attempts at penetration of these voting systems, registration systems, et cetera. it gives them more information, but it does not change their assessment that you remember from january, anderson, that said while they did steal e-mails, et cetera, they did an inf...

Information public eventually. the fact that "the washington post" and "the new york times" and cnn have been so aggressive in getting information about russian attempts to influence the election, and some of that information has been classified. that's been a great public service, so that's why i find cases like this morally complicated. yes, it is illegal, but there is a public value in getting access to some classified information. >> thanks, everybody. did you want to respond to that? >> no, my last comment was simply that yeah, it's a very difficult situation because there is public value...

>> if i could just add just on the leaking issue, post edward snowden, another contractor who leaked classified information, there's been a lot of discussion inside and outside the intelligence community how they can prevent this in the future. they have taken many steps, protocols. they reviewed processes, reviewed who has access to certain classified information. yet here yet again, a contractor getting a very highly classified -- in fact, very freshness report only a couple of weeks old and putting it out there and the fact is, even though she's in great legal trouble, the information is al...

For his dealings with the government of turkey and russia and information he did not disclose in his security clearance. same thing for jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, who we also now know did not disclose his dealings with other countries on his security clearance form. all of which tells us, this investigation is not just about russia and not just about the election anymore, but could touch on things that trump associates did over many years. the president may not be involved at all, but it could still the be very damaging and embarrassing to him, anderson. >> tom, what about the ...