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But there is a legitimate anger. the obama administration risks two things here. one, the absurdity of the guy who took more wall street money than any candidate in the history of mankind, running an anti-wall street campaign, he'll get a pass on in a from a lot of the media. the other issue is that there are some real -- a lot of real radicals and they're explicit about it. let's talk about the facts. they're out there saying, we want revolution, not reform. they say it on tape frequently. you do have a lot of open communists and socialists talking about it. so i do think that he runs a risk ...

Are others who echo her views. there were signs out on occupy los angeles that were clearly anti-semitic. while i don't know how widespread t she's certainly not the only one, as you can see from the signs. but this i do know for sure, you could have had ten million people at a tea party, if there was one racist sign, it was going to get on the air. >> bill: absolutely. >> it was going to get on the air. here we have some anti-semitism. but that woman who we just heard from puts liberals in general and liberal journalists in particular in a dilemma. they're in a bad situation. there is a black...

Fault? >> because remember, he's the one that supported tarp, too big to fail, and people see him tied -- a lot of people who are in this occupy wall street movement are not too pleased that obama hasn't been more aggressive in throwing bankers in jail. >> bill: mary katherine, these movements shouldn't spontaneously happen. there is too much money behind them and unions are behind them. it's organized. i think it was organized, number one, with an eye on getting president obama reelected, okay, number one. and overseas, it's a whole different story. they're just anarchists and cranks over the...

>> and it's tangential. >> bill: self-reliance is the same. >> but the concern is whether that narrative and that rhetoric is also linked to issues of race and racism. it's not coming from occupy wall street. those are hippies. the problem is what happens when it comes from the right when it's perceived as red necks. that's the concern. >> bill: i'm not really seeing the difference. they both have beefs and grievances. it's just against difference ones. i don't see racism in either one. >> i see racism in both. i don't think there is -- >> bill: i don't think they're involved with black politi...

Fault? >> because remember, he's the one that supported tarp, too big to fail, and people see him tied -- a lot of people who are in this occupy wall street movement are not too pleased that obama hasn't been more aggressive in throwing bankers in jail. >> bill: mary katherine, these movements shouldn't spontaneously happen. there is too much money behind them and unions are behind them. it's organized. i think it was organized, number one, with an eye on getting president obama reelected, okay, number one. and overseas, it's a whole different story. they're just anarchists and cranks over the...