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>> well, that's their problem. the fact is you and i have to get on airplanes and show an honest i.d. card and if it's not an honest i.d. card, it's fraud. okay. and if we go to the bank and try to get money out and if it's not us, it's fraud. if we try to check into a hotel and use a phony name it's fraud. go the other congressman. what about arizona? why does states try to get into the business the federal government is into? which is protecting us from illegal immigration? >> well, i think the same reason they're involved in the drug war, too, chris, is that this is a community problem. it'...

That i'm an american citizen? how do you suspect someone looks like something? that is the problem with the law like that. >> well, what is the law -- what would be a way that we could avoid all this and stop illegal immigration? do you support the idea of a biometric i.d. card that's actually checkable or not have a checkable i.d. card? do you want a checkable i.d. card? >> well, i actually am one of those people that like the freedoms of being in the united states and one of the things that we have always argued for was that we wouldn't have a national i.d. card, but again i'm also a person ...

That i'm an american citizen? how do you suspect someone looks like something? that is the problem with the law like that. >> well, what is the law -- what would be a way that we could avoid all this and stop illegal immigration? do you support the idea of a biometric i.d. card that's actually checkable or not have a checkable i.d. card? do you want a checkable i.d. card? >> well, i actually am one of those people that like the freedoms of being in the united states and one of the things that we have always argued for was that we wouldn't have a national i.d. card, but again i'm also a person ...

And an affidavit and 14 signatures of witnesses to say that i'm an american citizen? how do you suspect someone looks like something? that is the problem with the law like that. >> well, what is the law -- what would be a way that we could avoid all this and stop illegal immigration? do you support the idea of a biometric i.d. card that's actually checkable or not have a checkable i.d. card? do you want a checkable i.d. card? >> well, i actually am one of those people that like the freedoms of being in the united states and one of the things that we have always argued for was that we wouldn't ...

An honest i.d. card, it's fraud. okay. and if we go to the bank and try to get money out and if it's not us, it's fraud. if we try to check into a hotel and use a phony name it's fraud. go the other congressman. what about arizona? why does states try to get into the business the federal government is into? which is protecting us from illegal immigration? >> well, i think the same reason they're involved in the drug war, too, chris, is that this is a community problem. it's not just a washington, d.c., concern or just a border problem. this is something across the board. you can imagine how su...