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No doubt. most of the gains have been oz, basically getting the vote he was going to get anyway. it's coming to his call. i'm sure, that sounds like a race going to come down to those four points, could be two points, could be a point, and so things like turnout in philadelphia, and in pittsburgh, you get the suburban margin, that josh shapiro is going to get, super important. pennsylvania is key just because that is the democrats best opportunity. i still think wisconsin is going to be close, but pennsylvania is the best opportunity for the democrats to steal the seat. when things are this cl...

Pennsylvania. with the exception of our race in 2008. it's going to be competitive. first of, all your point about it is the republican open seat, so if the democrats are going to win that in terms of the chest match that is the senate, that increases the degree of difficulty for republicans so critically. the reason it's tightened up largely is because of a bunch of suburban voters moving to us. republicans have come home to him. republican-leaning independents. you've got to remember, one, a long way out, but josh shapiro looks like he is in a strong position. you're going to have top of the...

With a republican seat and the democrats leaving the polling average. on paper, this is the best opportunity for democrats. it is tightening. what do you attribute it to, and are you, as a democrat, nervous about pennsylvania right now? >> you never super comfortable, steve, as you know, in pennsylvania. with the exception of our race in 2008. it's going to be competitive. first of, all your point about it is the republican open seat, so if the democrats are going to win that in terms of the chest match that is the senate, that increases the degree of difficulty for republicans so critically. ...

To steal the seat. when things are this close, again, in terms of that chest match, it's incredibly important. >> our last statement we were talking about, that georgia race in charles, bullet, university of georgia, was talking about that kemp or not voter in georgia who basically is saying, hey, look, trump is playing a role in that, that camp was that political war with donald trump, and that may appeal to the voters in georgia, a suburban voter who doesn't like biden, isn't not about the democrats, but also really doesn't like donald trump, and he's comparable with kemp, but not sold on wa...

Got georgia on our minds tonight with that debate. rich mentioned pennsylvania. we have the current polling average in that senate race between john fetterman and mehmet oz. if we don't, i can tell you the current polling average. there you go, you could see, is a small print, there but fetterman leads in the average by 3. 4 points right now, over oz. if you go back to august, it was an 8. 7-point advantage for fetterman. pennsylvania race is interesting because it's the only one, currently, with a republican seat and the democrats leaving the polling average. on paper, this is the best opport...