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Ivonne Baki: The Chevron Case did represent an irritant in Ecuador’s relationship with the United States It is the second time in holding that position. From 1998 to 2002 she was the representative of Ecuador in the United States. Among other positions, Baki, who was born in Guayaquil to Arab-Lebanese parents, was Ecuador’s consul in Beirut and Boston. She was also Minister of Foreign Trade between 2003 and 2005, during the government of Lucio Gutiérrez. She was an Andean parliamentarian, former presidential candidate, and in the government of Rafael Correa she was chief negotiator for ...

Handle the big cases, they handle the big, ugly cases, i might point out. go online, take a look at the chevron case where they remitted chevron down in nicaragua. take a look at -- ecuador, excuse me. the dole case they handled in nicaragua. these are big, big kinds of case where is they make big, big money. this is an issue that is just not that important from the standpoint of the reputation. i thought one thing they did was -- that is important to talk about, they took 70 statements and they tried to make it look like we did that for completeness. they took those 70 statements to hold thos...

Corporations. >> it was. >> uh-huh. >> under rifra. >> you don't think then -- maybe we can end this line here. you don't think that they would have these rights, a corporation would have these rights under the first amendment? >> i don't think hobby lobby speaks to the question of the first amendment at all. what it speaks to is the question of the religious freedom restoration act and what a person is as defined under that statute by reference to the dictionary act which is congress's direction to us when we're dealing with statutes, what words we're supposed to use and what definitions are....

Under rfra. >> so you don't think that they would have these rights, a corporation would have these rights under the first amendment? >> i don't think hobby lobby speaks to the question of the first amendment. what it speaks to is the religious freedom restoration act and what a person is defined under that act and the dictionary statutes, what words we're supposed to use and what definitions are. senator, in rfra, again, if this body wishes to say only natural persons enjoy rfra rights, that's fine. i'll abite that direction. i'm not here to make policy. i'm here to follow it. >> on to anothe...