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Don't -- the complexion, the color of the trigger finger, the trigger finger does not matter to me. if you kill somebody, you kill somebody, no matter who you are. >> when you make a movie, you spent a lot of time studying, trying to figure this out. why is chicago -- so in much more worse shape? >> i still can't tell you. >> things are better. i grew up in miami. things are better in overtown. south central l.a. isn't what south central was 25 years ago. >> but you know what? one thing though, crack was a big part of all this stuff. there was a crack epidemic which hopefully is -- >> is final...

And that's why we need to have the multipronged strategy, including our muslim allies. because at the end of the day, it's going to be muslim soldiers in iraq and in syria that are going to ultimately defeat isis it won't be the united states lone. >> mike mcfaul, wendy sherman, thank you so much. we have to leave it there. happy holidays, happy new year to you both. coming up next, spike lee on his controversial movie "chi-raq" and the conversation he wants his film to inspire. >> i want people to think

Don't -- the complexion, the color of the trigger finger, the trigger finger does not matter to me. if you kill somebody, you kill somebody, no matter who you are. >> when you make a movie, you spent a lot of time studying, trying to figure this out. why is chicago -- so in much more worse shape? >> i still can't tell you. >> things are better. i grew up in miami. things are better in overtown. south central l.a. isn't what south central was 25 years ago. >> but you know what? one thing though, crack was a big part of all this stuff. there was a crack epidemic which hopefully is -- >> is final...

Central l.a. it affects rural area, it affects everybody. >> it seems you're trying to send a message to black america with this movie. >> i disagree. >> okay. >> i disagree. i think what i just said, guns affect everybody and not just in the 'hood. >> but you seem to be sending the message that it's going to take black americans to stop this. don't rely -- this is not about public policy, it's not about -- it seems as if take control of this. >> well, i wouldn't go far to say that, but i do think that i want to speak in this film upon black on black violence. that it's not always policemen. i...

But it's not just police shooting that spike lee wanted to draw attention to when he sat down with chuck to talk about his movie. >> who is the audience for this movie? >> everybody. >> it's interest i don't go say that. >> i say everybody, you know why? >> why? . >> i've been asked many times. i've been making films since 1986 and the one question filmmakers always say, what is the take away? what do you want people to think when they come out of that theater. and you say i don't ask that question. but just know, i want people to think about guns. that's the takeaway for this film. 88 america...