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With that chicago is america's biggest -- second-greatest city and i think that has to do a lot with it and people are just thrown to one side and left to their own devices. >> just by calling it "chi-raq," you're saying it's a war zone. did you feel like it was a war zone when you were walking these neighborhoods? >> no, because the police were all around us. but my first day of pre-production, one of my -- i had to go to a funeral because one of my guys got shot. the first day of pre-production i was at a funeral. and while we were filming -- and i said this before, excuse me if it's redunda...

And that's why we need to have the multipronged strategy, including our muslim allies. because at the end of the day, it's going to be muslim soldiers in iraq and in syria that are going to ultimately defeat isis it won't be the united states alone. >> mike mcfaul, wendy sherman, thank you so much. we have to leave it there. happy holidays, happy new year to you both. coming up next, spike lee on his controversial movie "chi-raq" and the conversation he wants his film to inspire. >> i want people to think

With that chicago is america's biggest -- second-greatest city and i think that has to do a lot with it and people are just thrown to one side and left to their own devices. >> just by calling it "chi-raq," you're saying it's a war zone. did you feel like it was a war zone when you were walking these neighborhoods? >> no, because the police were all around us. but my first day of pre-production, one of my -- i had to go to a funeral because one of my guys got shot. the first day of pre-production i was at a funeral. and while we were filming -- and i said this before, excuse me if it's redunda...

Don't -- the complexion, the color of the trigger finger, the trigger finger does not matter to me. if you kill somebody, you kill somebody, no matter who you are. >> when you make a movie, you spent a lot of time studying, trying to figure this out. why is chicago -- so in much more worse shape? >> i still can't tell you. >> things are better. i grew up in miami. things are better in overtown. south central l.a. isn't what south central was 25 years ago. >> but you know what? one thing though, crack was a big part of all this stuff. there was a crack epidemic which hopefully is -- >> is final...

And that's why we need to have the multipronged strategy, including our muslim allies. because at the end of the day, it's going to be muslim soldiers in iraq and in syria that are going to ultimately defeat isis it won't be the united states lone. >> mike mcfaul, wendy sherman, thank you so much. we have to leave it there. happy holidays, happy new year to you both. coming up next, spike lee on his controversial movie "chi-raq" and the conversation he wants his film to inspire. >> i want people to think