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Was those trump tower discussions, right? saying that they ended earlier than in fact they did. they went well into the campaign. cohen says that his testimony that he gave, his false testimony that he gave to congress, was reviewed by president trump's personal lawyers. so, according to cohen, they knew that he was giving false testimony. and that involves, to some degree, at least indirectly, that involves the president in that false testimony. so, that's a qualifier, in effect, on has become the president's chief attack line on cohen that he's a liar, et cetera. we should line that up again...

Send a powerful message that the border is, in fact, secure. >> wouldn't be surprised if we see that in that bill compromise. >> i think so. i think perry is a force by meeting with the president and going to him, he shows republicans that it's okay to engage on this issue. but at the same time, the political winds in texas and elsewhere on the right are not really with governor perry. they're with other texans like ted cruz. we're going to have to look to him to see where conservatives want to go. >> robert costa. thank you. some politicians, when it comes to the border, theater is policy. ...

Troops on the border and truly send a powerful message that the border is, in fact, secure. >> wouldn't be surprised if we see that in that bill compromise. >> i think so. i think perry is a force by meeting with the president and going to him, he shows republicans that it's okay to engage on this issue. but at the same time, the political winds in texas and elsewhere on the right are not really with governor perry. they're with other texans like ted cruz. we're going to have to look to him to see where conservatives want to go. >> robert costa. thank you. some politicians, when it comes to ...

>> republicans' chief attack line on the president has been focused on his decision not to visit the border rather than the actual policy solution he's proposed. >> the challenge is is congress prepared to act to put the resources in place to get this done? >> just a few days ago, rick perry seemed to agree with obama's call for action rather than posturing. >> yesterday, governor perry said i don't want a photo op and handshake, although thanks for the invitation, i want a substantive meeting. >> it's not the first time a republican questioned the merits of a photo op. 2011, perry's former te...