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>> but secretary chertoff, the governor made an interesting point. this is a democrat, former democratic mayor of denver. he, like colleagues like mayor bloomberg may believe in greater gun control laws, but he also references the fact that everything was purchased legally here and we live in an age where if he couldn't have gotten to guns, he was building bombs in his apartment as well. so the notion that somehow you eliminate that danger in a gun control debate is going to be bitterly fought. >> well, that's what's striking is you look at what we've heard about the apartment and the sophisti...

At the same time a tremendous hunger for fame. you see the rise of these spectacle killings. i'd like to see a debate about that. there's not an obvious political solution, but some of the people like mr. bratton said there's a civil society solution where we look out for people drifting between the cracks. >> if anybody has got experience like you do, michelle, trying to identify vulnerabilities in especially younger people and they can manifest themselves at such an early age, particularly in school. >> yeah, i think one of the challenges that comes about in a tragedy like this is people wan...

Congresswoman carolyn mccarthy, democrat of new york, whose husband was tragically killed in a 1993 massacre by a deranged gunman on a long island train. former new york city police commissioner and los angeles chief of police bill bratton during his time pioneered the theory of community policing that became a model around the country. also the former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff whose firm consults with how to deal with some of these security threats. thank you all for being here. if there are some bigger lessons to take away, it's what i want to try to focus on. chief bra...

Point. this is a democrat, former democratic mayor of denver. he, like colleagues like mayor bloomberg may believe in greater gun control laws, but he also references the fact that everything was purchased legally here and we live in an age where if he couldn't have gotten to guns, he was building bombs in his apartment as well. so the notion that somehow you eliminate that danger in a gun control debate is going to be bitterly fought. >> well, that's what's striking is you look at what we've heard about the apartment and the sophistication of the devices that were disarmed or disabled there, ...

You see the rise of these spectacle killings. i'd like to see a debate about that. there's not an obvious political solution, but some of the people like mr. bratton said there's a civil society solution where we look out for people drifting between the cracks. >> if anybody has got experience like you do, michelle, trying to identify vulnerabilities in especially younger people and they can manifest themselves at such an early age, particularly in school. >> yeah, i think one of the challenges that comes about in a tragedy like this is people want answers. why did this happen or what is the s...