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>> that is truly scandalous. >> we are going to have to make sure the laws are clear. >> today, on day 197 of the fake irs scandal, the treasury department announced that it will clarify the regulation of political activity of tax-exempt social welfare organizations. joining me is the former head of the irs exempt organizations division. and back with us julian epstein, the former minority staff director. of the house government. were you majority or minority when you were there? >> i was majority of the government oversight and minority chief count sell at the you the -- minority chief counse...

>> the ambiguity is a problem. >> that is truly scandalous. >> we are going to have to make sure the laws are clear. >> today, on day 197 of the fake irs scandal, the treasury department announced that it will clarify the regulation of political activity of tax-exempt social welfare organizations. joining me is the former head of the irs exempt organizations division. and back with us julian epstein, the former minority staff director. of the house government. were you majority or minority when you were there? >> i was majority of the government oversight and minority chief count sell at the y...