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Of columbia arguing the president has violated and is still violating anti-corruption clauses in the constitution. the lawsuit ago alleges that despite his many promises to keep his public duties and private interests separate trump has yet to, quote, disentangle his private finances from those of domestic and foreign powers. joining us tonight, new york magazine contributing editor andrew rice who has just written a comprehensive examination of trump incorporated and its possible conflicts of interest. note the artwork there. also with us tonight, richard painter, chief ethics lawyer for the ...

The director of national intelligence and richard painter is back with us, the chief ethics lawyer for the bush 43 white house. steve, do you share that lawyerly instinct that we heard director comey talking about, about how important it was that everyone else was ushered out? >> yeah, brian, not only do i share that instinct, but it sounds from director comey's testimony like the attorney general jeff sessions and jared kushner also had that instinct. he made a point that they both tried to linger and stuck around and were ushered out at the president's insistence. i think that's a telling mo...

>> i'm not hinting about anything. i'll tell you about it over a short period of time. okay. do you have a question here? >> when will you tell us about the recordings? >> fairly short period of time. >> are there tapes, sir? >> you're going to be very disappointed when you hear answer. >> we are left to wonder, are there recordings? and how to define a very short period of time. and will we ever know the answer? richard painter, as we say, was chief ethics lawyer from the bush 43 white house. richard, i have no choice but to fall back again as often happens in life on what we know, and that's...

Carey cordero is bk with us, former national security lawyer for the justice department, and former counsel at the office of the director of national intelligence and richard painter is back with us, the chief ethics lawyer for the bush 43 white house. steve, do you share that lawyerly instinct that we heard director comey talking about, about how important it was that everyone else was ushered out? >> yeah, brian, not only do i share that instinct, but it sounds from director comey's testimony like the attorney general jeff sessions and jared kushner also had that instinct. he made a point th...

Aeally signifint fact to me is so why did he kick everybody out of the oval office? why would you kick the attorney general, the president, the chief of staff out to talk to me if it was about something else? and so that -- that to me is as an investigator is a very significant fact. >> as a lawyer, prosecutor, investigator, james comey sat in a role he is not necessarily used to today, as a witness. and he found that detail about his interactions with the president legally significant today. i want to bring in our panel of lawyers to talk about it. steve vladdic, law professor at the universi...