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You. and i think this, this is key, people have talked about how far we go with harvey weinstein. people who are sexual predators are like roaches. you don't just find one. others have participated. maybe his family involved. other people who worked with him involved. like jared from subway, wasn't just him. someone else on the staff. the other key lesson, not just stopping with harvey weinstein but going down the list of all the other list of men and sometimes women complicit in this behavior and let it be done. above and beyond abuse of women look at the larger questions about the abuse of y...

The think about the fact, jason, men are operating openly flagrantly, abusively and not even afraid of being caught. what is that about? not that we'll make you speak for all men but the men don't seem to be afraid they'll be caught? >> it's the complicity of. he be, joy. it was a great tweet i saw earlier this week. why is every single woman knows someone who can say me, too, and men act like this is new and shocking to them? because men observe the behavior and don't do anything about it. men observe this behavior and laugh along with it, observe the behavior, talk to the woman later and say...

Every level don't say anything, and then want to get on twitter and social media and say how bad they feel. go out and hold other men accountable. it doesn't take a ton of people to engage in the behavior but it does take a them to don't let the few get away with. >> and pick and choose. accusers of bill clinton to shame him. republican side saying, bill clinton san abuser and then a rush to believe on your own partisan side, but not believe on the other side. the gretchen carlson book opens with her being attacked by people on the right who essentially saw her as a traitor to the conservative...

States saying why can't we go back to the time women are held sacred, couldn't even open a bank account. coming out of the white house, devaluing women and tries to go back to a 1950s conception, really only applied to white women anyway. what messages are we getting from the top? culturally, from the white house? >> well, i don't hold donald trump as any kind of example of chivalrous behavior. the idea a gentleman should treat a woman with courtesy, respect and dignity is a wonderful idea and that's the problem with the sexual harassment and abuse stories. people viewing women as objects and ...

Society that rewards abusive men until there's a critical mass of women and then we say, okay, maybe we'll believe them? >> yes, because people still believe that bill cosby is innocent. there are still people who actively and aggressively attack you for criticizing bill cosby. still millions that believe donald trump is innocent despite him saying it himself on a tape that we all heard as a nation. so there is something wrong and there's something sick in our culture, in our society, that enables this behavior and one of the things most disturbing is a lot of people now are trying to make thi...