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He couldn't survive two minutes in the health care discussion in a republican primary debate, could he? >> well, i'll tell you what. if anybody believes their own press it's donald trump, and there's an infatuation in the media with him. i'm increasingly of the mind that he is going to run. i think he is blind to the shortcomings and maybe can try to dismiss his inconsistencies in the past. i don't think he will be successful. i think he will ultimately be irrelevant, but what we really need is someone who is a champion of pro-growth, economic policy. not someone who is a champion self-promote...

China and places like that. it's a stunning ignorance on what creates economic growth, wealth, and jobs. so i think his candidacy -- if people don't understand really what he believes is very counter productive, and at the club for growth all we're interested in are the facts and make people understand before the show goes on much longer, and find somebody that really promotes pro-growth policies rather than himself. give him credit. he is a master showman. he is a master at self-promotion. that's not what we need really from either party running for president. >> chris, you can relax. don't w...

Became pro-life this year. he was pro-tax before he became anti-tax this year. he was pro-socialism before he became anti-socialism this year, and he was pro-obama before he became anti-obama this year. joining me now is chris chercola, president of the club for growth. thank you for joining me tonight, chris. >> thanks for having me, lawrence. >> chris, tell us about trump's tax history. that's the issue of the day here on tax day. he is embracing the republican doctrine about tax cuts now. has he been on your team all along? >> well, he has been on a lot of teams over the years, i think, law...