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Most of the kids are suicidally depressed for a long time. everyone who has watched this knows that nearly all of them die in the act. they're best understood as vengeful suicides. >> that's my very point with speed. >> do you think that these kids, chris, would be scared enough of this kind of suicide by cop? >> they end up -- it's usually not suicide by cop. they end up shooting themselves, which goes back to my first point of speed. the police officers need to get in there. beyond that, we don't need to wait for a s.w.a.t. team to get there. an individual patrolman needs a tactical vest and...

People were hurt and killed. yet, there are so many of them they're hard to remember. i want to explore this with dave cullen. he is the author of "columbine." it examining the high school massacre. he did the dive into these killers but their intent. chris hevan joins us live from cleveland. he is a former navy s.e.a.l. first, dave, to you. i get sick and tired of calling you every time this happens. yet, i call you and i ask for your thoughts. i'm not going to do that this time. i'm going to ask you, what's going on? why am i reporting this so often? i have a list so long i can't read it to ...

Hide under a desk or put a blanket over them, that's insane. a child -- what they should do is barricade doorways and get out of that building. throw chairs through windows. get out of the building, hang drop, leave. if there's no students in the school, the guy or person can't shoot anybody. bunkering in place is terrible. is it easier to shoot fish in a barrel or fish when they are moving and swimming? >> something has to give. as an anchor on a network newscast, i can't remember some of the significant school shootings and i have to look at details if they don't have some strange fact to th...