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Mulvaney also said pelosi seems to be the key holdup while chuck schumer might be more pliable. >> the vice-president and i met with leader schummer last saturday. my gut was that he was really interested in doing a deal and coming to some sort of compromise. the more we are hearing is that it is nancy pelosi preventing that from happening. >> chris hon is a radio host and ned ryan is the founder and ceo of american majority. they both join us. chris, once upon a time, your former boss, senator schumer, 2009, he said when we use phrases like undocumented workers, we convey a message to the ame...

Markets. he claimed a couple of months ago who have renegotiated nafta. why would anybody renegotiate anything with him if he turns around and closes the border. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. wear with me. hear me out, chris. australia doesn't have a land border and it trades with the rest of the world. iceland doesn't have a land border and it trades with the rest of the world. instead of having ports of entry that people can just walk through, why not close them and at least insist they have to get on a flight to lax or o'hare or whatever, where we at least know who they are before they g...

Creating a better pathway for the world president trump was talking about. i'm hoping there's going to be a lot more of this, this is just the tip of the iceberg what we have seen here. a lot more coming out, in the weeks to come. but a bigger thing is coming in with the helsinki summit. i hope that the quicker the truth comes out the more they'll be able to chart a better course for the future of our country. >> tucker: we will be at the helsinki summit, i look forward to that. carter page, thank you. chris hon is a former staffer to senator chuck schumer and joins us. there you have it, chri...

As we talked about at the top of the show, the world of journalism is mourning the loss of two acclaimed journalists today, tim hetherington and chris hon droes kidros. four journalives have been killed in libya since that country's uprising began in mid february. hetherington and hondros follow the two others killed last month in benghazi. >> enough of the real news, let's gather around the water cooler. check out day three of will farrell's wonderful threats to conan o'brien. we had our fingers crossed hoping it would ban ongoing gag. it's two nights ago. he's threatening to come on may 2 on...

In the studio. i want to ask him what the documents were. and i mean, let's get specific here. you passed documents to a russian spy. did you betray your country? what were the documents? why aren't you in prison right now if that was a felony? >> tucker, this is complete spin. i was teaching a course at new york university called energy in the world in the spring semester of 2013. and i had a coffee with a diplomat from the russian consulate. and i showed him -- >> tucker: who was a spy. [laughing] >> of course. it was course materials. >> you gave him documents that he requested you to. >> t...