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It was an inhumane thing to do, but that's when we went to see him and said, hey, if we're going to have a values based relationship, this is our threshold. this is our threshold, protecting these dreamers and our country. because they have come forward. they've revealed their parents, they've revealed their information. and the president, i think, not because as i say chuck schurm had good table manners, it's because the american people believe in you and overwhelmingly the american people in the high 80s, 90s, believe that the d.r.e.a.m.ers should stay here. overwhelming majority because on ...

Needs and then to help the board do its job. but we can talk some more about it. it's very tough because the vul tours are out. >> let's do that one more in the break because i want to get to another topic right now. okay. daca, the deferred action rules that are going to expire now. what are we going to do about it going forward? you came out with chuck consumer and said we have a deal with the president on daca. he then stepped back of it. from right now do you think that there is a deal on the table right now? what's the political reality? >> what we said when we came out of the room is tha...