place like that and not say, you know what, i m out of here? well that s a question we all ask ourselves a lot. believe me. and that is where we will pick it up tomorrow night. mike rinder used to be a church enforcer and tomorrow he reveals the techniques the church used, he says, to keep members in line. the church of scientology sent us a long statement about this documentary which reads in part alex gibney s film is bigoted propaganda built on falsehoods. they cannot be trusted. and no statements they make can be believed. you know, remember when we talked about the church of arthur last night? in that church you don t have to salute at all, i hear. you just like, muah, he fell in
everything is staged. like if he goes to the international headquarters at gold, which is called golden era productions in hammock, california. all of the stuff they re instructed to call him sir, to salute, everybody has to smile at him. they have to salute him while he s walking around the grounds? yes. and you must smile. and there can be not a blade of grass out of order. do you believe the church had a role in breaking up that marriage? cruise and kidman? i do. i absolutely do. because she wasn t a scientologist scientologist? well, she was a scientologist megyn. but her real problem was she wasn t as dedicated a scientologist as tom was, her father is a psychologist. and she felt that apparently that tom was becoming more like david. and she didn t like it. you know the church obviously denies all of this. they say it s all lies. it s all made up.
back now with more of our interview with mike rinder, formerly the spokesman for the church of scientology for decades. here he explains the church s role in the end of tom cruise and nicole kidman s marriage. you were in the organization then i take it when tom cruise joined scientology? yes i was. how do you get a guy, a star like that, to join a religion like scientology? i think, megyn, i mean it s the answer to the question of what s done to get anybody to participate in scientology. but do you think he knows about this abuse? i mean because what the documentary asserts is that abuse is ongoing in the church. i think tom cruise is unique in that he does. because tom cruise is david s best friend. and you see in this film you see the two of them. and you see them growing together. let s show the audience that. show the audience the moment where tom cruise comes out and he salutes l. ron hubbard and
down. and he s here tonight with firsthand stories of phone tappings, private investigators church abuse and what really happened with tom cruise and nicole kidman in that church. plus, new fallout tonight after the outgoing senate minority leader all but admitted he repeatedly lied to the american people all in the interest of helping president obama win re-election. dana perino is here next on what the white house did today when asked whether president obama would callout senator reid. but it s the president s choice and his spokesman s choice to call out conduct unbecoming of our highest elected officials when it is in fact unbecoming. are you going to take that opportunity now?
job these days, you have to do a big-time tv interview, take on these questions and he ought to do it with a little humor. you re right. jon stewart has gone after us again. he s very angry that despite his best efforts the fox news channel remains stronger than ever. that hurts. only a few more months to kick him around. oh well, see you howie. bye, megyn. explosive claims in the hbo documentary going clear made mike a target of the church of scientology. and how? but mike rinder is not backing down. and he s here tonight with firsthand stories of phone tappings, private investigators church abuse and what really happened with tom cruise and nicole kidman in that church. plus, new fallout tonight after the outgoing senate minority leader all but admitted he repeatedly lied to the american people all in the interest of helping president obama win re-election. dana perino is here next on what the white house did today when asked whether president obama