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Really great leadership and commitment in pushing this and driving it, and i think he's got to keep going with it, and however difficult it is and, you know, the last few days have been difficult, my strong advice would be, you know, we know what the right thick ng to do is her let's keep going it. >> as people are watching it on sunday, it's an important day for the catholic church with the canonization of two former popes. do you believe the catholic church has the same influence it has had as not just an organizing force for the world but a true force for good and influential force in the w...

Sunday, it's an important day for the catholic church with the canonization of two former popes. do you believe the catholic church has the same influence it has had as not just an organizing force for the world but a true force for good and influential force in the world? is it reaching its potential in that regard? >> i think like all great institutions, it has to evolve and change over time. i think the new pope is doing a great job in that respect, but, yes, i think the catholic church still has great authority, and so i'm opt stick about the church's future. >> through the difficult and d...

Narratives and then try to apply to it the whole church. >> i want to talk about something you talked about the declining membership issue not just in u.s. but jump and latin america, evangelicals are going. a question about how much should a pope be held responsible for that or even think about that. you're not selling a product at some level. so if the metrics are that people are leaving the flock, you know i guess the question is should you be judged by that? what does you want say about the church that membership is declining and what does it mean for the church's future right after this b...