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Releasing, quote, digital bombs that could be inserted into russian networks. and it also followed what happened in the months after the two leaders met, specifically how the obama white house decided to strike back against russia's meddling with sanctions and expulsions, an effort that elicited this quote from a senior obama official, saying, "it is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend. i feel like we sort of choked." joining me now, lindsey moran, a former undercover cia ontive and author of "blowing my cover." also with us, former cia operative mike baker. so, welc...

Something as obvious as what's the -- the level of our involvement or our engagement with a major player out in the world stage. again, pointing out that russia basically, as a gdp the size of a mid-size eu country. but we are in a position where we've been trying for years, the pentagon and the intel community have been tries for years to understand this new world of cyber warfare. the pentagon is still working on developing protocols for proportional response and this is not an easy lift. as we saw from the struggles as described in this article in "the post" this took months for some sort o...

Weapons in russia's infrastructure, saying this was the digital equivalent of bombs. tell me more about this and what would the -- had they been detonated, the ramifications. >> yeah, i mean, first of all, i'm old enough that when i first signed on with the cia and operations, the soviet union was still the big bogey man out there so i'm very confident in seeing that this is nothing that you wouldn't expect from russian behavior. putin has always been clear about his desire to rebuild the soviet union and his distress over the collapse of the soviet union. and so, now, what we're dealing with,...