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Jamie, there was kind of a brick retaining wall, cinder wall. i tried to get her past. we saw that first victim crumpled against that wall with an abdomen wound that was in the midst of one of the last long sustained bursts. the fire was continuing as we turned back in. we helped that gentleman we lifted up and a passerby, civilian car was there, being loaded with victims. we got him into that vehicle. when i turned back in, that's when i started noticing so many others on the ground. and the next gentleman we went to, unfortunately, had a very severe head wound. and one of his friends was try...

About how much went into the planning of this versus how much went into the motivation for this. they haven't found anything yet. at least that's been made public, about why he did this. and all of what they found out about how much he went into putting into the planning, what do you make of that imbalance? >> it is an imbalance. i think it's an important one. what it appears to be right now -- this certainly can change -- is that more and more it appears he's leading a secret life, a life that he kept from other people. but i also would go back to the motive. the motive in this case was a ver...