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It's not every day that either one of you deal with clients who have the opportunity to perhaps get a pardon in order to deal with their situation. but danny, let me start with you. first of all, havyou everence w perhaps had an access to a pardike this? and if not, what do you make of trying to sendnal lik this. >> no, i have never dealt with a pardon. most of my colleagues never dealt with a pardon. the pardon process is so distinct from the criminal justice system that i can't think of a single colleague who has handled one although they are certainly out there and i could probably look the...

Investigators. we know that that's how rick gates changed lawyers dpus just before he agreed to cooperate with robert mueller's investigation. multiple people familiar with the matter tell nbc news cohen hasn't even spoken witness federal prosecutors yet. this could be about money. maybe his lawyers decided he can't pay. or it could be that cohen's lawyers think cohen has lied to them and they want out. even still, it could be that cohen is trying to signal to the white house that he is in trouble and he might need a pardon. or it could be none of those things. the move is a significant develo...

As in the commission of a future crime where an attorney must seek to withdraw. without knowing more, and we are not likely to hear more, because it's privileged communication, we are left speculating as to what the true reason is, whether it's money or something else. >> mimi rocha,hespeculation, the rumor wire went berserko because the initial report about michael cohen changing lawyers sort of indicated this could be him preparing to flip. walk me through that side of things. what does that look like, when you guys were working with be some you were going to prosecute that suddenly was goin...