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Attorney cohen gets. right? >> right. >> so there areyceattos that do people. they have a policy against it. they a philosophically opposed to it. that happens more in the sort of mafia arena, that there are attorneys who represent people d when of those attorneys was retained you knew as a prosecutor okay thi not coming in. >> gotcha. >> there is that kind of indication. it could be he goes for a smaller solo practitioner. that might indicate it was a financial thing because it's likely to be a lower rate attorney. so there are different things that we might -- if it is a former prosecutor fo...

People talk about mueller getting fired. even if mueller was fired tomorrow, the evidence still exists. technically, the evidence before someone is charged acty belongs to the fbi not to the prosecutor's office. although obviously they share it. >> interesting. >> but the evidence is still there. d while they m be able to prosecute cohen for federal explained,here is still the possibility of prosecuting him for state crimes. there are some double jeopardy issues and it's kind of complicated but there is definitely that possibility. and there is certainly the possibility that that evidence is s...

Investigators. we know that that's how rick gates changed lawyers dpus just before he agreed to cooperate with robert mueller's investigation. multiple people familiar with the matter tell nbc news cohen hasn't even spoken witness federal prosecutors yet. this could be about money. maybe his lawyers decided he can't pay. or it could be that cohen's lawyers think cohen has lied to them and they want out. even still, it could be that cohen is trying to signal to the white house that he is in trouble and he might need a pardon. or it could be none of those things. the move is a significant develo...