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He's a lawyer, he's a duke undergrad graduate. very was well respected at the justice department and elsewhere in the intelligence agency. he had his -- he had his friend and he had his detractors among the line agents in particular because he did rise so quickly, and because he has that law degree. but he was also seen as a real -- maybe a new model for that number two position. not a sort of traditional line agent personality, somebody whose make a little bit more intellectual managerial than somebody whose lock them up, cops and robbers kind of guy. >> i heard him once described as a g-man ...

Justice department and elsewhere in the intelligence agency. he had his -- he had his friend and he had his detractors among the line agents in particular because he did rise so quickly, and because he has that law degree. but he was also seen as a real -- maybe a new model for that number two position. not a sort of traditional line agent personality, somebody whose make a little bit more intellectual managerial than somebody whose lock them up, cops and robbers kind of guy. >> i heard him once described as a g-man but circuit 2018, a modernized version. do you concur with that? >> yes, this ...