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That he doesn't have immunity, if the entire d.c. circuit doesn't take the case en banc, if they don't agree to hear it now, i think you could hear -- >> that's a lot of things going in the special counsel's direction. >> a lot of things have to break his way. but remember, alex, this is in many ways the simplest case. i don't suggest it's easy. it's a one defendant case. there are only four charges, so in terms of getting this thing to trial, you're not dealing with classified information as you are in the mar-a-lago kaycase, you don't have 397 defendants as you do in the fulton county case, ...

Campaign, as you sit here now, and i'm not asking you to make predictions. what's a thoughtful assessment about if not march, given how the appellate courts been moving, what the supreme court, the x-factor here my do, do you think it's likely that summer is a time for trials? >> let me ask you a question. how many ifs can i use? >> as many as you want. 200. >> i may need it. if the circuit court decides, as we expect that they, will against mr. trump and for the government, that he doesn't have immunity. if the entire d. c. circuit doesn't take the case on bunk, if the supreme court doesn't g...

Have the momentum when you are the candidate that will represent the republican party in the election, and that is something that may be of interest to him and also plays into his long-term strategy of delay, delay, delay. >> charles coleman, thank you so much for your thoughts. chuck and lisa, a final thought from each of you, and he brings up a good point of time is of the essence, and so is this trial date in march still in jeopardy? >> i have said the march 4th date is endangered but not doomed. it's not necessarily the case that the entire d.c. circuit court of appeals will hear this argu...

Manufacturer weren't arguing that second part. >> this is the big part gender -- >> right, they said we're not going to hear this no reason this is considered by one circuit we usually don't consider cases in less than circuit doesn't allow to perchlorate in appellate court. >> justice clarence thomas 20 page opinion saying with long history of saying the states have interest in this kind of a law this one they wouldn't hear because of the history of eugenics, sooner rather than later the court has to hear this. >> i think he is right brought up, he went to the whole history quite compelling d...

To think it may well be brett kavanaugh, the judge here in washington. among the indications, brett kavanaugh was seen leaving the d.c. courthouse, which is just a couple of blocks down pennsylvania avenue from the white house earlier this afternoon in a small flotilla of secret service vehicles. now, they may have been taking him somewhere else. we don't know where he went. but he doesn't usually travel that way. secondly, the d.c. circuit issued a court opinion today, an unsigned opinion for the court, a procuring opinion it's called, that he was a member of. that's a little unusual. the d.c...