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Irony of this, i mentioned that, you know, it's jones versus clinton which is the authority that michael will have. he will not mention who he is going to put on his deposition list. who is front and center is david den dennison. thai it was decided it would not interfere with discharge of his duties and he was subject to civil process. that's a real problem. he can't escape from that unless he says that i wasn't a party to this. if he says i wasn't a party to this, i didn't do this then michael cohen has got issues. i know he feels like it isn't breaking news but it obviously it. it is no dif...

Prototypical russian hackers. the fact they are overseas is not a reason not to bring these cases. >> on the russians, do you think bob mueller, is looking at the outcome of this case today? >> i think it's a very important initiative by microsoft. i think it doesn't necessarily directly overlay with the work of the special prosecutor. i think we need criminal law, civil law and we need private entities such as microsoft to take this great initiative. the decision that came out of court in virginia today is a good decision for everyone. the court retained jurisdiction until 2020. the court put...

Pulled out into the open and, then you have a complete airing of the facts. martha: do you have confidence, mr. everson, do you have confidence that is going to happen? talk about the breach of trust and people not, the irs losing credibility as we heard yesterday from mr. werfel, that is such a serious american break of trust. people sign their, you know, returns. they you know, cross their ts and dot theiris, they're so concerned they will get backlash. to hear, these folks are protected by civil process. gee, we don't get that kind of treatment from the irs? >> yeah. i, i understand the fru...

State to show that wisconsin is open for business. many of those have included democrat votes. >> greta: let's say a democratic senator sneaks into town and gets picked up for speeding, does he or she get hauled in here? >> we are going to continue as has been the tradition in this state to send out officials to ask for them to come back. we are not going to force them back. if they are there, if there's an interest in coming back to wisconsin that suggests they are somewhat willing to participate in democracy again and they should be compelled to come back. >> greta: you just try to talk them...

And i think in the middle east, we haven't got there yet. >> when you look at the dalai lama, you look at aung san suu kyi they have tried to effect change and civil change and democratic change through the civil process. do they need to become more strident, more militant? i mean, is there a different way of resistance? >> i mean, part of it is that, obviously, they can't do it on their own. i mean, we didn't do it on our own. it is -- it is that people of goodwill, people who want to establish that democracy is the better or the best dispensation you can have, have a stake, and they've surel...