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Think, is something you dodge. look. what i would say is you need to look at the thing honestly and don't bo so afraid of the fact that we did terrible, terrible things in our history and in order to get right with the world we have to repair those injuries. >> go ahead, dinesh. >> we shouldn't flagellate ourselves over it. >> i don't flagellate at all. i don't believe in flagellation. >> let's look at it this way. the american population shunck in 150 year. the main reason for that was not because of warfare or systematic killing. it's because the white man brought visas and they did not have...

Think, is something you dodge. look. what i would say is you need to look at the thing honestly and don't bo so afraid of the fact that we did terrible, terrible things in our history and in order to get right with the world we have to repair those injuries. >> go ahead, dinesh. >> we shouldn't flagellate ourselves over it. >> i don't flagellate at all. i don't believe in flagellation. >> let's look at it this way. the american population shunck in 150 year. the main reason for that was not because of warfare or systematic killing. it's because the white man brought visas and they did not have...

Ationing. it's because the whites man brought with him zzs to which the native americans did not have any immunities so they perished in large numbers. the europeans, one-third of the population in europe earlier had been wiped out by the black plague, where did that come from? asia. so with the migration of people, diseases go from civilization to civilization. >> do you think there's a reflexive instinct in many on the left, or to the left of the left as i guess you are, to blame america first? i thought it was interesting in one of your books, the question was, who do you think are great am...

Ationing. it's because the whites man brought with him zzs to which the native americans did not have any immunities so they perished in large numbers. the europeans, one-third of the population in europe earlier had been wiped out by the black plague, where did that come from? asia. so with the migration of people, diseases go from civilization to civilization. >> do you think there's a reflexive instinct in many on the left, or to the left of the left as i guess you are, to blame america first? i thought it was interesting in one of your books, the question was, who do you think are great am...

Diseases to which the native american did not have any immunities so they perished in large numbers. now, the europeans, one-third of the population of europe had been wiped out by the black plague. where does that come from? asia. so with the mig grags of people, it goes from civilization to civilization. that's nongenocide. that's when you intend to wipe out people. >> they did both. >> do you think there's an instinct on many on the left, or to the left of the left, which i guess you are, to blame america first? i thought it was interesting in one of your books, the question was, who do you...