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Upper middle class backgrounds, kethledge doesn't come from that. he came from a lower class background. he's from michigan, outside of the coast. and he didn't go to -- he went to a very good school but not an ivy league law school, a harvard or yale, so it provides a sort of diversity that some people think would be good on the court. julie: i want to get to judge thomas hardiman before i let you go. after a phone interview with hardiman on tuesday, president trump called him again on thursday. not bad two calls from the president in a week, obviously an indication he was still in the runnin...

Victim anymore. >> over time, patty developed a rapport and relationship with the thee comrades that were dealing with her. that was unusual for those circumstances. willie spent a lot of time with her. willie had the closest connection to her of anybody based on class background. and he spent a ton of time with her introducing her to some of the writers that influenced him. >> and willie starts to explain to patty why he's joined the sla, and he starts giving her books to read. and he starts listening to her and talking to her in a way that's more like a peer than as a kidnapper. >> i realize...

Developed a repupation and those who surrounded her that was unpush with the circumstances. >> willie spent a lot of time with her, the closest connection of anybody based on class background, and he's spent a ton of time with her, introducing her to some of the writers that had influenced him. >> and willie starts to explain to patty why he's joined the sla. he starts giving her books to read, and he starts listening to her and talking to her in a way that is more like a peer than as a kidnapper. >> i realized that she developed a, you know, infatuation with willie. finally, i think angela as...

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Rapport relationship with those kidnappers that were dealing with her that were unusual for those kind of circumstances. willie was spending a lot of time with her. willie had the closest connection with her of anybody based on class background. and he spent a ton of time with her introducing her to some of the writers that influenced him. >> willie starts to explain to patty why he's joined the sla and he starts giving her books to read, and he starts listening and talking to her in a way that is more like a peer than as a kidnapper. >> i realized that she developed an infatuation with willie...