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>> here to debate it author of the sun, gregory clark and from our fox business network, charles payne. professor, i'd love to start with you. why are you crushing our mood here saying the american dream is dead? >> i'm just reporting the facts that are revealed by history and examining what happens in america relative to other countries. >> you're saying that someone will not jump that scale. charles, do you agree the dream is dead? students, i assume, are in your class professor to jump head and make that dream a reality. charles, what do you think? >> i disagree a thousand percent. first of...
>> and it's a very -- it does not have a happy ending. >> it was startling to me the difference in her appearance. in the storefront, she looked attractive. vivacious almost. in prison, you know, half of her hair was braided, and she looked tough. she looked like she was just trying to survive. what do you say about the charges? >> i didn't do them. >> you didn't do them? >> huh-uh. >> how old are you? >> 21. >> 21? do you go to college? >> mm-hmm. >> what are you studying? >> criminal justice. >> well, isn't that ironic. >> exactly. very ironic. >> now, she must have been absent the day that ...
>> 21. >> you go college? >> uh-huh. >> what are you studying? >> criminal justice. >> criminal justice? isn't that ironic? >> very. >> she must have been absent the day that the criminal justice class professor talked about how to deal with law enforcement. >> i told them if they wanted me to turn myself in to pretty much go [ bleep ] themselves because i wasn't going to turn myself in. catch me if you can. you said catch me if you can? >> those were my exact words. >> you have to know if you say that, they are going to get you. >> they didn't get me right away. it took them three days. >> ...